House no. 8th, Suicide

Dear Kulbir Bhai,

Hare Rama Krsna,

In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and
Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H.
[8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]

Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]

I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.

I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.
As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.

In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"

He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]
and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him.

As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].

So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]

Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.

I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.

Thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Dear Goel Ji,

Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.

Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?

Regards
Kulbir Bains

Dear Kulbhir Bhai,

Hare Rama Krsna,

//Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//

Partly correct...

//Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//

Suicide itself is purpose,
We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.

Basically Saturn is Karak for longetivity, when ayu finishes, death take place.

Thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Respected all,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\ action than
karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its destination.

Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps into river to
save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.

Both person perform the act of 8H.

Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong ?, who is brave
or cowardice ?

Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Respected Bhaskerji,

//Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house. If on one side you say that the person who committed "Suicide" is a coward, and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the person who is "Brave" enough to save him, also to the 8th house.

What astrology is this ?//

Look in both cases Death took place, so 8th house has come into force in both the chart in different manner.

In 'suicide case', Lagna, moon and sun is weak and person's consciousness is over powered by debilitated mars and weak malefic saturn.

In 'saving case', Lagna, moon and sun is strong and person's consciousness is over powered by exalted mars (look mars is exalted in saturn sign Makara) and exalted ketu.

In simple astrology we don't need charts everytime.

Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Respected Bhaskerji,

//A man is drinking liquor in a bar. Another man drinking sharbat in a
wedding reception. Now the 2nd house is active in both cases. //

Man who is drinking liquor has involved saturn and moon combination related to second house,
whereas man drinking sharbat, Venus for juices , moon for water, jupiter + moon for sweet-water ... is more related to 2H.


//Or a husband and wife having sex, and two lovers having sex. The 8th house is activated in both cases. //

In formar case of husband and wife , venus is exalted in pisces, (sex within dharma, absorbing the positive energy of jupiter).
lover having sex means that Venus is more destined towards scorpion energy, working at tamasic level.

Thankyou,

Its already too late, i have to go now ...

Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Saturn in 4th House

Respected Bhaskerji and other respected members,

Thankyou for sharing your experience.

//will produce detachment in the native....but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram. //

This statement is very true, irrespective of any 'Avastha' of saturn and if other condition as you have mentioned is also fulfilled than it is sure.

This is also confirmed by great astrologer Shri H n Katwe. Due to this tendency they become great donors, they donate lands to Trusts and sometimes everything for the cause of humanity and may lead poor life in old age.

Few important inputs which should be kept in mind:

1)As per 'Mansagri' If saturn is in 'Direct motion' he is bad for siblings and friends (Bandu Nashak) and sickly. If saturn is in 'Retro Motion' , it destroyes wife, children even servants and leave his village or motherland.
The important thing is that we must see that Retro saturn is worst and it completetly destroys happiness of 4th house.
What i feel that the values of MOON is completely destroyed but the values of Venus may florish if saturn is in good avastha.
Person becomes cold hearted and he hates (fears) poverty completely and tries to overcome it with all efforts.

2)As per Bhrigu sutra :
if saturn is also Lagnesh than mother will have long age.
If saturn is 8th lord than mother will die early (also same for father).

3) Native can have two mothers or two wifes (one seperates early). (I think we must look moon, venus, 4L,7L, etc also).
Seperation from father could be there or father could be sick. (8th from 9th house and enemy to sun).
Overall sukh from parents is lost.

Example of One famous cinema star Marylyn Monroe am producing :
Female :
Date: June 1, 1926
Time: 9:30:00
Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT)
Place: 118 W 14' 34", 34 N 03' 08"
Los Angeles, California, USA

"Exalted Retro Saturn in 4th house"

Her Statement :
Femme fatale :
" I knew I belong to the public and to the world, not because i was talented or even beautiful, but because i had never belonged to anything or anyone else. Only the public can make a star. It's the studios who try to make a system out of it"

This is a very good chart to understand saturn in 4th house.

Step parents, multiple marriage, huge publicity, No children, disease at old age, everything , all masala of sani is present :)

(In this kaliyog we are not looking for Sri Ram Horoscope atleast from west)
Link is :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylyn_Monroe

The words from Shri Katwe fits well here, native is unhappy in his childhood and in old age. Only in middle part of life he flourishes.

Thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Re: doubt regarding saadhe-saati

Dear Manoji,

//Then in the same manner, why cannot we consider planets in adjacent signs, close to each other, as conjunct?//

The reasoning of +- 45 from moon in sadesati and the principles of conjunction is different.

Sri H N katwe and Sri K n Rao when speaking of sadesati they are basically providing the average distance from moon which impact most {which comes under house division concept and the karak is sun.}

When we consider planetary conjunction it comes under nakshatra principle.

1) Planets in same nakshatra in same pada will follow same AIM and will have same direction ( dharma, artha, kama, moksha for four padas respectively).

2) Planet in same nakshatra but different pada mean the influence on chita(mind) will be similar but its reactions on mind will generate different aim.

3) Planets in different nakshatra but same pada, then these planets will have same aim or direction in life but with different emotional impacts. You will see that all planets in same pada are in trines in navamsha.

4) But if planet are in different nakshatra and in different padas that the conjunction will have very less impact jointly and they will show their own behaviour independently.

I hope i have able to convey the message.

Thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.