Hare Rama Krsna,
In short i will only say that suicide, murder, accidents etc is the negative aspect of 8H and
Samadhi, Sahid, body parts donation (like donating kidney) is the positive aspect of 8H.
[8H : primarily Karak is Saturn and secondary Karak is Mars]
Now how one categories Kamikaze (?), Jauhar, Sati Pratha, is totally dependent upon one's thinking & understanding. [Characteristic of lagna and status of moon sign]
I stick to those vedic teachings which consider 'suicide' as a major sin and 'sacrifice' as the great virtue. Both belongs to 8H significance.
I will never accept 'suicide' is an 'act of bravery', 'needs strong nerves', big guts etc etc,... just foolish statements.
As an astrologer i strongly condemn it.
In last fortnight of dec 09, one client came to me, who was the owner of prestigious share brokerage firm having good turnover and many offices. He incurred huge losses and now his business is out of his control, he worriedly said to me " Baar baar izzat bazaar mein karab hone se accaha hai ki ek baar mein hi maar jao"
He was totally engulf in fear [Karak : debilitated moon, i.e. moon in scoprio in rasi of mars of 8H]
and mental anguish [Karak : Vish yoga of Saturn + Moon] that his wife too worried of him.
As an astrologer [Jupiter] we are here to show the path\teaching of SUN, the major karak of HOPE, not malefic part of saturn of 8H [suicide].
So that person over-comes the weakness of moon and does not perform suicide, "the act of cowardice",[Karak : debilitated Mars, see mars is delibilated in 4H of mother, impulsive act out of frustration, devoid of Happiness]
Those person who perform suicide dis-respect & de-grace their physical mother, who give birth after lot of pain and Mother Jagat Jannini.
I hope i have cleared my view on suicide.
Dear Kulbhir Bhai,
Hare Rama Krsna,
//Impulsive act of suicide is governed by RAHU.[also ketu]//
//Suicide for a purpose/cause is governed by - Guess! ?//
Suicide itself is purpose,
We can say the Karak of death (in any manner) is Saturn.
Basically Saturn is Karak for longetivity, when ayu finishes, death take place.
Hare Rama Krsna,
Sri Krsna says, INTENTION is more important behind every Karma\ action than
karma itself, as intention is gati\force to meet its destination.
Now if someone jump into river for suicide and another one jumps into river to
save him, and due to circumstances and destiny both dies.
Both person perform the act of 8H.
Now its one's understanding over teachings who is right or wrong ?, who is brave
or cowardice ?
//Suicide and the act of saving cannot be delegated to the same house. If on one side you say that the person who committed "Suicide" is a coward, and relate this to the 8th house, then how can you also out the person who is "Brave" enough to save him, also to the 8th house.
What astrology is this ?//
Look in both cases Death took place, so 8th house has come into force in both the chart in different manner.
In 'suicide case', Lagna, moon and sun is weak and person's consciousness is over powered by debilitated mars and weak malefic saturn.
In 'saving case', Lagna, moon and sun is strong and person's consciousness is over powered by exalted mars (look mars is exalted in saturn sign Makara) and exalted ketu.
In simple astrology we don't need charts everytime.
//A man is drinking liquor in a bar. Another man drinking sharbat in a
wedding reception. Now the 2nd house is active in both cases. //
Man who is drinking liquor has involved saturn and moon combination related to second house,
whereas man drinking sharbat, Venus for juices , moon for water, jupiter + moon for sweet-water ... is more related to 2H.
//Or a husband and wife having sex, and two lovers having sex. The 8th house is activated in both cases. //
In formar case of husband and wife , venus is exalted in pisces, (sex within dharma, absorbing the positive energy of jupiter).
lover having sex means that Venus is more destined towards scorpion energy, working at tamasic level.
Its already too late, i have to go now ...