Nov 7, 2009
Dear Yogesh Lajmi,
There may be many rules for BTR. Let us don't mix any of the rules time being. We will talk about one RULE first.
As per you(or M.P. Shanmugham?? ) ,
Natal Asc Sub lord = Natal MOON Star lord
Natal Asc Sub-Sub lord = Natal MOON Sub lord (for more closer values up to Seconds)
For this rule, i have given the full enough theoritcal/practica l explanation how this RULE will FAIL? Our one of the member also studied with 35 AA charts and proved that the RULE/ method is not working Well(More FAILURE results noticed).
WhetherÃ‚Â you will be ableÃ‚Â to prove that the RULE is working FINE? As you have already gone through M.P. Shanmugham'sÃ‚Â book understood his methods nowÃ‚Â you should be able to tell key points (bullet points)Ã‚Â about this RULE alone.
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Yet another method of Verification is to observe the time one gets a cut and blood oozes out...the sublords of the houses IV,VIII & XII will be ruling the Dasa/Bhukti/ Anthara lords...so also,if one escapes from having an almost fatal accident,'miraculou sly',the sublords of the houses I,V & IX will be ruling the Dasa/Bhukti/ Anthra operating at that time... these are among the methods which can be used to rectify a Birth Chart...and so on...
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This may be used as an additional verification point and not a RULE. Because we can't ask our client for such accident happened or not? And many of them neither faced it nor remembers it.
No comments and there is no discussion about other rules.
The objective is to confirm the correctness of a given TOB...therefore ifÂ any one of the rules mentioned are satified one can conclude that the given Birth Time is correct...
As said by Vijayji,the gender rule of Mr.Gondhalekar can also be used...
BTR is as simple as that...
On BTR method:
Since the birth of a child takes place when the father of the child runs the joint period of Planets that are fruitful significators of 2,5 and 11 we say that the Ascdt of the child should be co-ruled by Planets that are linked to 10,5 and 7 houses (i.e 2,5,and 11 from 9).
I took father because he is mainly responsible for the seed and gender of the child.
Did we had the discussion on this concept earlier, did we applied and checked the validity of above statement, is it logically correct as per KP methods to apply it. ???
Just a curiocity !
Late Shri.M.P.Shanmugam, in the book "Astro-Secrets and KP– Part II" (M/s. Krishman & Co., Chennai) presented the BTR as follows :
In his own words:
"If one has to know, whether the given birth time is correct or wrong, the method is the Birth Lagna Cusp Sublord should tell the Birth Star or the Moon Sign directly or in one way or the other. To tell the very Birth Star will be more correct."
a) The Birth Lagna Sublord itself may be the Birth Star.
[Say 'X' is the sublord of ascendent.
I) 'X' could be moon's star.
This Yogesh Lajmiji is using successfully in his long experience]
b) The Birth Lagna Sublord, in whose constellation it is, that Constellation Lord or Sublord may come as Birth Star.
[If we take the star lord of 'X' (sub lord of ascendent) as planet 'Y',
II) 'Y' could be moon's star
III) Y's sub could be moon's star (Take this planet as 'Z' )]
c) The Birth Lagna Sublord in whose constellation it is, that Constellation Lord's area has to be looked up to Sookshama level, which will be the Birth Star.
i.e. Lagna Sublord is in a Star(Dasa) - then Sub(Bhukthi) - then SubSub(Anthara)-and then in a SubSubSub (Sookshama).
This SubSubSub lord (SSS lord) will be the Birth Star.
[ IV) Y 's sub sub sub (SSS) could be moon's star, please note that sub sub (SS) is not taken here.]
d) The Birth Lagna Sub, in which Sub it is, that Sub will be in a Star–Sub–SubSub–SSS Here, we must take the SubSubSub lord (SSS), which should tell the Birth Star.
[ V) Sub sub sub (SSS) of Planet 'Z' as taken earlier could be the moon's star.]
A Birth has several stages like first cry, placed on earth (boopadhana), Siras Udhayam, Normal delivery, Caessarean, and so on. Under such circumstances, you cannot stick to one method of thinking alone.
As the Birth Lagna Sublord has interconnection with Moon by four levels as explained above, this Lagna Sub if it, in any manner, touches the Birth Star, that time is the Correct Birth Time. You may have to work up to Sookshama level at times."
Just I want to say to Senthilji that the statistical relation he had provided earlier is only explaining the point number a), if we chose other factors stated in other points we can see many more possibilities and probabilites ratio will increase.
Thanks & Regards,
//Asc-Moon connection method by Shanmugam holistically//
Nice to see the use of word Holistically :) .
Beside looking up all the factors (from point b to d) statically from KP experts as done for point [a], i have one major query from you all,
I) Why planet 'Y's' Sub sub (SS) is left out when Y itself, its sub & sub sub sub (SSS) is considered for moon's star?
II) Why only sub sub sub (SSS) of planet 'Z' is considered ?
I am expecting some logical explanation to improve my KP understanding from KP experts.