Saturday, August 28, 2010

Love, Flirtations and faithfullness.

Sir,

To start with;

1. Ketu represents Thirst. Ketu in 7.

Regards
Kulbir Bains

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Bhai Kulbir ji,

Please do not talk about my Chart and placement of Ketu in it...

I can find another 500 charts with ketu in 7th , but many of them may be
sanyasis too..

I will close the matter for my case here and itself. I love all the
beautiful women of the world.

regards,

Bhaskar.
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Sir,
//I can find another 500 charts with ketu in 7th , but many of them may be
sanyasis too..//

may be that's why the thoughts / dream about Apsaras haunt them most.

Astrology is the study of tendencies.

Regards
Kulbir Bains
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Namaste Kulbir ji

My personal thoughts regarding Ketu's placement is one of "detachment" as
opposed from "pyass - thirst" which I feel is more connected with Rahu ..

Best wishes ...

Jai Sita Ram

Ram
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Dear Sita Ram ji,

You are right, Ketu represent detachment but i doubt detachment is opposite of thirst, we need more understanding.....

What will be the IMPACT of Venus + Ketu (yuti) in the chart.

Does it will give many affairs or vairagya sanyasi \ bachelorhood or normal marriage life?

Can we have any examples of it ? any research of someone on it?

Thankyou,
Best wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
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Dear Vijay ji,

Let me give you an example chart where Ketu is in conjunction with Venus. A married man who has many liaisons with other women. He knows that the wife is aware of all this, and doesn't care a tuppence about it.

Natal Chart

Date: October 6, 1951
Time: 0:16:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"
Colombo, Sri Lanka

He is Gemini Lagna, and 5HL Venus, 11HL Mars and Ketu are conjunct in 3H.

Venus and Mars are in Ketu's star and Ketu is in Venus's star.

Hope this chart would be helpful.

blessings,

Renu
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Respected Renuji,

Thankyou for the example, but this example is not quite fit to my query.

We require those charts where Mars is atleast not involve in any type of association (PAC) with Venus.

Alone Venus + Ketu will be best :)

Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
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Dear Vijay ji,

Sure...I overlooked the 'Mars' connection.

blessings,

Renu
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Dear Vijay ji,

//What will be the IMPACT of venus + ketu (yuti) in the chart. Does it will give many affairs or vairagya sanyasi \ bachelorhood or normal marriage life?//

Really interesting!
!It depends on other factors as well.For example i have ven conj(yuti) ketu in 11th(kama trikona).I am a bachelor and yogi(i practice yoga but dont preach)to the core.Ofcourse this yuti is aspd by Sat in my case.I think this yuti is not interested in yuvati!!..I also know a jivanmukta and also yogi who had a family and divorced.In his chart this yuti is in 12th in tauras.He also had sun,jup yuti in lagna.

Love and regards,
gopi.
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Dear Vijay ji,

///What will be the IMPACT of venus + ketu (yuti) in the chart.
Does it will give many affairs or vairagya sanyasi \ bachelorhood or
normal marriage life?//

This is about a female born on 12th Feb 1981 and a male born on 13th Feb 1981.

Girl: Boy:
Virgo Lagna, Pisces navamsha.
Taurus Rashi -Rohini star
Current V. dasha - Ra/Ve

Boy:
Virgo Lagna, Aries navamsha.
Taurus Rashi - Mrig star
Current V. dasha -Ju/Me

All the other planets are placed in the same houses in both.

Ve + Ke in 5H [Capricorn] aspected by Retro Ju.

Ve + Ke in Gemini Navamsha.

Retro Ju + Retro Sa in lagna.

The girl got married in January 2010. She is pretty, tall and slim, and well educated.
She is very kind and generous.

The boy is not the marrying type and has no interest whatsoever, no university education but employed well, chubby and short.
He is all out to help anyone at anytime and has a very large circle of friends.

What I want to point out is, whether Ve + Ke got anything to do with marriage/no marriage in these two cases. Dasha plays a major role, no doubt.

For the girl Venus in RKA gave marriage in Ra/Ve period.

blessings,

Renu
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Dear Goel Ji,

Saturn + Ketu accepts the governor of Mo(on)rality, Ethics, Prevalent Social norms.

Venus + Ketu Declutches itself from this control..

"Matlab yeh ki Shanichar go badnaam hai; magar Kaamdev ka keeda nahin hai."

Thereby meaning that although Saturn has acquired a bad name for itself But it retains the capacity to be a good judge in matters related to sexual impulsion.

Regards
Kulbir Bains

Lalkitab while describing psychology says;-

Part 1= house no. Part 2. = planet responsible/associated/governing. Part 3 =tendency/capacity.

House no.1 - Venus – Tendency to love – = Love for opposite gender, Such tendency raises itself and progresses in age span from 16 to 36 years.

House no.1 - Saturn – Tendency to love = Flirting tendency, only through vocal interactions – benefic Saturn- Sympathy; malefic Saturn – Selfishness.

House no. 2. – Jupiter – Wish for marriage/copultation one after another – Longing for opposite sex in age span 30 to 70-72 years.

House no. 3 – Moon = Innocent Love/friendship + mature Love + longing for love. All three.

House no.3 - Mars –ive = destroyer of all three listed above.

House no.9 – Jupiter = Jovial Flirt.

House no.9 – Mercury = Immature Flirt to such extent that it hurts / pinches.

House no.10 – Jupiter = Tendency to cultivate and maintain good moral character.

House no.7 – Venus = Capacity to Catch the latent streak.

Regards
Kulbir Bains
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Dear All,

Some very perceptive posts on this topic. Let me add my 2 cents:

I broadly agree with SheevaniJi that 7L/11H combos can indicate multiple relationships. However I would slightly disagree on 7L in 11H means only native has affair. 7H is also house of partner. 11H is house of friends. I have seen natives with 7L in 11H (afflicted) whose husbands have affairs. In short:

11H/11L are multipliers. Any association with 7L/7H can mean multiple relationships for self/spouse.
Especially potent combination for Scorpio Lagna. Why? For Scorpio, Me is 11L and 8L. Me in general is himself a Multiplier.
Me association with Ve or the 7H can cause multiple relationships.
Invariably though you need affliction of Venus by Saturn or Rahu most of the time (there are exceptions).
Another point is that Kama trikon is 3H/7H/11H. So any combination of above need to be kept in mind. 11L in 3H can also produce affairs if Venus is also afflicted.

The Chart below from Renu Ji shows on such combination. This chart clearly shows the signature of affairs in a chart:

Natal Chart

Date: October 6, 1951
Time: 0:16:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"
Colombo, Sri Lanka

Affliction to Venus: Ma/Ve conjunction, Ve in Ra/Ke Axis
Kama trikone association: 11L in 3H aspecting 7L Ju from 3H
Afflicted Venus in Leo can rarely promote Marital harmony
7L afflicted by 8L Saturn

Potential saviours in any chart: Ju, 5H/5L, 9H/9L:
Ju afflicted and retrograde
5L afflicted by both RKA and 12L Ve
9H afflicted by Vargottam Rahu. Rahu also afflicts 5H.

Mo deb in 6H in Jeysta Natksatra. Significant planets (Me, Mo and Ve) in Scorpio is a problem. Here it is also 6H. It is also aspected by Sa.

Navamsha: Navamsha LL Ve is in Cancer Navamsha which is 12 away from its Rashi position.
Rashi 9L Saturn is in deb in Navamsha with no cancellation, indicates individal bereft of moral compass. Notice also Saturn has moved 8 positions from his Rashi position.

This clearly a chart of a person who not only strays from Dharma but may actually enjoy doing so without much guilt. Dasha sequence helped him since he ran Ke-Ve in succession.

To Vijay Ji's question, Rahu amplifies and Ketu dilutes. Ketu - Ve conjunction causes dilution of the postive attirbutes of Venus. Whether it leads to multiple affairs or renunciation, which are both different ways of perverting Venusian attibutes, depends on the overal tenor of the chart. Some times both are possible within one Life time.

Regards,
-Manoj
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Namaste Manoj ji

I agree with your general comment "Rahu amplifies and Ketu dilutes. Ketu -Ve conjunction causes dilution of the positive attributes of Venus. Whether it leads to multiple affairs or renunciation, which are both different ways of perverting Venusians attributes, depends on the overall tenor of the chart. Some times both are possible within one Life time " though not about
Ketu promoting multiple affairs and diluting "positive" attributes of Venus - I would suggest that is more Rahu's domain. Yes perhaps after sometime the realization of Affairs Not being dharmic hit's home and causes the Native to re-think their thoughts/actions.

Best wishes ...

Jai Sita Ram

Ram
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Dear Ram Ji,

Yes, infatuation is definitely the domain of Rahu, but Ketu can also produce similar results under the right condition. Infact even when Ketu afflicts Venus by transit very closely in a dual sign (especially Mercury's) and if that Ve is already afflicted in Natal chart, it can create conditions for an illicit affair. Ketu's rashi and Nak dispositors are also important here.

It can be noted right now (7th feb 10) Ketu is transiting Ge, so people having afflicted Ve in Ge, running Ve dasha/antar or Ke dasha/antar should be concious of such possibilities
.

Regards,
-Manoj
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Dear Manojji,

Hare Rama Krsna,

//To Vijay Ji's question, Rahu amplifies and Ketu dilutes. Ketu - Ve conjunction causes dilution of the postive attirbutes of Venus. Whether it leads to multiple affairs or renunciation, which are both different ways of perverting Venusian attibutes, depends on the overal tenor of
the chart. Some times both are possible within one Life time.//

Yeah i agree with it.
Nice !.

Therefore LK says Ketu is Pyaas (thirst), once quenched, it leads to detachment.

Whereas Rahu represent mirage where thirst is never quenched.

I hope Bhai Kulbhirji got the logic :)

Thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
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Dear Kulbhir bhai,

//Which planet causes eclipse to moon? = Ketu.//

This is also a good point.

thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
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Dear Kulbhir Bhai and all,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Actually my understanding on LK is based on different pitch and your's is different.

Your learning is based on direct application of LK principles whereas mine learning on LK moves through vedic principles route where many things comes to which LK ignores, mine route is bit busy, whereas you are running in a express highway of LK :).

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LK says for 7th house Ketu is pyaas (thirst), hence forth i took Venus + ketu yuti to understandd it, which Manojji finely explained it.
The examples given by Gopiji & Renuji on this point was also very convincing.

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Every planet represent thirst (yearning) of different type, for eg mercury has thirst to acquire knowledge, sun to acquire power etc.

Prime significator for 'Detachment' is only 'ketu' among all planets as also said by Sita Ramji. Ketu curtails the properties of the house in which it is situated. This 'emptiness' is described as 'thirst' of Ketu in LK. Ketu in 4th house, person always yearns for mother's love, (because he never gets it).
Thirst of Ketu, is based on Jal-tattwa, prime significator of Jal-tattwa is moon and venus.
So weak ketu give strong drive for love and sex but strong ketu curtails it completely by putting varaigya, ecliping the moon.

Hence in Gopiji's own chart, venus + ketu aspected by saturn, make him the Hatha yogi, to observe perfect control over body through penance.
Whereas in other case given by Gopiji, either saturn or ketu was somewhat weak to overcome moon.

[Note: strength of planets is looked in LK by observing the practical manifestation or impact of planet in individual's life, through Makaan Kundli , Palm Prints and Events]

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Thankyou,
Best Wishes,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
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2 comments:

Puunαm Rαtnαpαrkhí said...

What if Venus and ketu in Virgo in 10th house ... N same combination in navmasa with Mars in 1st house with Sagittarius in men's chart

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